Jaynus O'Donnell: Can you please further expand
on your concerns on the compartmentalization of society
through lifestyle demographics and explain how this
manifested itself in the community of Oakville.
Kirsten Forkert: This compartmentalization is
not necessarily specific to Oakville or to suburban
communities. In terms of the bigger picture, I think
that it's a consequence of capitalism in general (which
as we know very well is based around ideologies of individualism).
This has intensified in the present 'postmodern condition':
people leave rural communities for jobs, people leave
their countries because there are no opportunities for
them
and of course, it's an increasingly transient
and fragmented society we live in. And for the past
30-40 years, and especially after 1989, the Left has
focused on the small, the localized, the contingent
and the specific, in all those critiques of grand narratives
and political programs that you've probably read about
in class (in terms of theories of postmodernism).
In terms of the niche markets, it's to do with identities
being formed basically in consumer terms: we buy the
same products and so we share something. We listen to
the same music and so we share something. The example
I gave you over coffee is one I find particularly disturbing:
where voting patterns can be determined through your
shopping habits.
But my concern is to do with a common space, a space
of shared concern. And that when we're isolated and
fragmented as individuals we're left with a sense of
lacking this, and then this desire gets displaced onto
consumer culture, or, more disturbingly, nostalgic and
simplistic forms of nationalism or religious extremism.
And in terms of Oakville, as I've said before, social
classes are separated from each other so people don't
have to deal with others who might come from a radically
different point of view, who might come from different
cultural contexts, etc. So that desire for that shared
space was articulated around those myths of the small
town.
Jaynus O'Donnell: A lot of your "action-based"
work has been performed outside of your own living space
(Vancouver). Is there a specific rationale behind this?
Kirsten Forkert: This doesn't have as much to
do with the nature of the city as with lack of local
opportunities, and the fact that my practice doesn't
fit the local context, either in terms of performance
art or in terms of the art community in a broader sense.
Performance art in Vancouver tends to be more theatrically
based, and so festivals and other events are set up
for theatrically based practices. Part of this is structural;
I'm interested in working contexts that are neither
five week exhibitions nor contexts that privilege short
theatrical work. And those types of opportunities tend
to exist elsewhere, rather than in Vancouver. But also
it's to do with discourse being fairly narrowly defined,
and by this I mean the artists or thinkers etc. that
come to town and the types of discussions that take
place. The argument could also be made that one should
introduce such practices to the local context, that
it's an education process. But that's a very long term
project and can't be accomplished by one individual
alone.
Jaynus O'Donnell: You were interested in presenting
the Oakville project in a way that highlighted your
inability to maintain an objective stance toward the
space and the information you gathered there. How is
this subjectivity of information collection and presentation
alluded to in the work?
Kirsten Forkert: It has to do with the nature
of the writing.
Some of it is fairly impressionistic and is written
in the first person. And with the glossary,
those definitions are primarily subjective definitions,
although a few are more factual. I'd also say it's to
do with the structure of the website: it's a complex
structure that makes it difficult to get a sense of
'overview'.
Jaynus O'Donnell: How did your interest in urban
and suburban structures, in terms of pre-planned living
spaces, influence your initial outlook on the Oakville
project? Did your ideas on this subject change throughout
the four weeks you spent there?
Kirsten Forkert: My initial outlook on Oakville
was based on what I'd seen and read elsewhere of suburbia.
I'd never been to Oakville; what I heard was fairly
stereotypical, about it being a very wealthy suburb
where people were obsessed with property values and
safety. As I said before, I was interested in aspects
of Oakville that didn't fit this representation and
that in a sense, were made invisible.
My ideas did change, and I started to realize that
suburbia was a symptom of the larger forces I mentioned
earlier, about car culture, social fragmentation and
a need for community and identity in this context. And
that it can be very difficult for us to conceive of
the 'common good' if we're used to seeing everything
in individual consumer terms, or in terms of private
property. This was quite evident at the town hall meetings.
People, or at least those who felt entitled to speak,
seemed to feel that what was good for them, or their
property values, was by extension good for everyone
else. Hence the obsession with perfect lawns and the
regulation of space; it all came down to this contradiction.
Forkert's investigative process addresses how one interacts
with and deciphers one's inhabited living spaces. Devices
used in 'Misplace' such as the 'logs' mimic experiences
one may face in an unfamiliar locale, going beyond surface
investigation which the web format serves to comment
on access to instant information (be it slanted or not).
By including interviews quotes from Oakville residents
and a colloquial glossary of terms Forkert offers multiple
perspectives which become layers in meaning as different
contexts are consumed by the data each ultimately can
confuse both meaning and its allocation. This work does
not stem from a desire for objectivity, rather points
to an acceptance of each individuals experience within
a given space. The collection of work overall offers
a more complete study of both the space and the unfamiliar
to create a new territory or experience for the viewer
to learn and understand.
Forkert's action-oriented approaches to her research
from spending time living in a place and/or getting
involved in their political and/or social structures,
offers her a view which between insider and outsider.
Her ability to be considered a 'part of the community',
she has illustrated onto itself can be contentious.
Forkert's work through its mandates illustrates how
such criteria is unstable. In this manner, entities
composed on power and relationships to proprietors of
socio--economic status at any given time will always
be in flux.
Ultimately, her continued habits of city living transposed
from Vancouver to Oakville proved fascinating. For example,
her determination to bike or walk places Oakville was
admirable given how out of place this action is in a
car-dominated space. Such bold action made Forkert appear
out of place, however, her actions allowed her to understand
and explore the landscape in ways not possible with
the car. By removing the car from ways in which Oakville
citizens experience their own city, Forkert imposed
a new typology of experience. Her collected and sampled
data from these experiences creates an atypical approach
to how to decipher communal spaces and transit systems.
In the same way, the implementations of the internet
in Forkert's project offers another method of information
delivery whether accurate or objective, the viewer must
spend time with the sit in order to assimilate, decipher,
and comprehend the information. This process is the
same just as someone would undertake residing in a new
environment.
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